Josh Warrington has something to share. He wants to show what's behind the curtain, to reveal the quirky origins of the game plan behind the best win of any British fighter in the past year.
'It's right grim, this,' Warrington tells Sportsmail. And he's not wrong.
But off he goes anyway, laughing manically in his Leeds gym as he explains how Sean O'Hagan - dad, trainer, tormentor - masterminded that magnificent and unanimous points win over Carl Frampton last December.
Josh Warrington's plan that led to victory over Carl Frampton was devised by his dad on the loo
'Not sure people want to know, but I'll paint the picture for you,' he says. 'He were on the bog. Me dad, he come up with it on the bog with a pack of fags.
'That is when the lord of the plan is at his best. On the throne. In the build up to that fight, after a training session with me, he would go home, put the kettle on, pick up his iPad, notebook and fags and say to his missus, "Right I'm going to have 10 minutes with Carl".
'He'd go up to the bog, sit there, flicking ash into sink at side, three or four he'll go through, and come up with the tactics while watching clips of Carl. What a strange bloke, eh? All his business is done up there, always has been.
Leeds-born fighter has held the IBF featherweight title since beating Lee Selby in May 2018
'When I was a kid at home, any time I would get a bollocking, that is where he would be. Right weird house, mine. It would be, "You, come up here", and he'd be sat there, door a bit ajar, and he'd be talking to me. I'd be like, "Dad, I'm sure this is all very important but can't we talk somewhere else?" and he'd be going on and on. Not normal that, is it? But I tell you what, that w***** is good at tactics.'
An unconventional tale from a normal bloke with an exceptional talent, a Yorkshireman who up until a couple of years ago was dismissed as a good-but-limited fighter, redeemed mainly by his big, local fan base. It turns out the folk of Leeds were on to something.
Since May 2018 he has outpointed Lee Selby to win the IBF featherweight world title and in his first defence he beat Frampton by four rounds on two cards and three on the third.
He was a big underdog for each; he twice pulled off a major upset. With those victories he has 28 wins from 28 fights and proof that he is among the top pound-for-pound boxers in Britain ahead of his June 15 grudge match with Kid Galahad.
'I'll tell you how life has changed since those two wins,' Warrington says. 'I got some free olives when I was out at Gino's the other day. I'm not sure I would have got that if I wasn't world champion.
'My life is the same with the belt as it was without it - my wife won't pick up the dog's s*** in the garden. It's still me picking it up every day. Nothing keeps you grounded like a bag of s*** in your hand.'
He is a funny guy, Warrington. And likeable, one of those fighters with the classic boy-made-good tale. He was the child of divorce who never left his father's side. He was the teenager who few expected to succeed at domestic level. He was the dental technician who used to go door to door selling tickets to his fights, keeping the cash in a shoebox.
