It was the mention of Nelson Mandela that made Siya Kolisi collapse.
Having collected his gold medal, lifted the Webb Ellis Trophy as South Africa's first black captain, the boy from the township gathered up his children - Nicholas and Keziah - then spoke from the heart.
'I never dreamt this would happen,' he said.
'All I want to do is inspire my kids. When I was a kid, all I was thinking about was getting my next meal.
'There are a lot of us in South Africa who need an opportunity. I got mine and took it.
Siya Kolisi (C) led South Africa to their third World Cup win on Saturday by defeating England
Kolisi is South Africa's first black captain and is hoping to inspire his kids with the win
'I am hoping we've given people hope that can pull our country together.'
Bryan Habana, another Springbok World Cup-winning hero, then turned to Kolisi and said: 'My friend,' before glancing skywards, 'I know Madiba is up there in heaven smiling down on you and is incredibly proud.'
With that Kolisi was gone. He hugged his mate, rested his head on the old winger's shoulder and let it all sink in for a second.
He admitted before this final that the captaincy has weighed heavily on his shoulders. He is not just a rugby skipper, but an icon, a symbol, a beacon of hope for so many.
Legends lined up to declare the moment he lifted the World Cup on Saturday night in Yokohama as bigger than when Francois Pienaar collected it in 1995 from Mandela.
That may be an emotional exaggeration in the immediate aftermath of this glorious night for South Africa, but the echoes were there.
Kolisi became emotional after Bryan Habana said Nelson Mandela would have been proud
The South African admitted that the burden of captaincy had weighed heavily on his shoulders
President Cyril Ramaphosa wore his No 6 Springbok jersey, just like Mandela did 24 years ago - and while that might have been a slightly crude re-enactment of history it helped to re-inforce the significance of the moment.
Kolisi did not play the whole match. He came off around the hour mark, when it was not completely certain the Springboks would win a third World Cup.
So when Cheslin Kolbe - the man too small, in some coaches' eyes, to play Test rugby - scored the try that emphatically sealed the deal, the captain was sitting on the bench.
Cheslin Kolbe scored one of the the Springboks' two tries in the convincing win over England
Well, not for long. As Kolbe broke he sprung from his seat, ran down the touchline a few yards behind his streaking winger, and as Kolbe went in hopped, skipped and jumped for joy.
That was it, this was done, he was a world champion.
Back home, South Africa went barmy. Shopping malls showing the game erupted as thousands burst into 'Shosholoza' - the iconic song of the old miners that echoed around Ellis Park on that day in 1995.
Streets were filled with cars hooting horns, and for a moment all was well with a nation.
'Since I have been alive I have never seen South Africa like this,' said Kolisi having had those scenes relayed to him.
'With all the challenges we have, the coach said to us that we are not playing for ourselves any more, we are playing for the people back home - that is what we wanted to do.
'We have so many problems in our country, a team like this - we come from different backgrounds, different races - and we came together with one goal.
Kolisi maintains that South Africa's win in Yokohama has