Gary Neville's recent admission that his four-month spell managing Valencia wasn't all bad because it taught him things about himself, has done little to change the club's supporters' perception of him. They think of him as someone who was honest, decent, and totally out of his depth.
The comments also reinforced one of the reasons why he failed to make it work. When he told Sky Sports: 'It didn't go well but the lessons I learned, the experiences I had in terms of finding out about myself, I learned more in that four months than the 14 years before that,' only served to reinforce the idea that he was using the club as some sort of work-experience post.
At times they found that amusing. 'El Mundo' columnist Inma Lidon began referring to him as the 'Becario' (intern) in her editorials.
Gary Neville was out of his depth at Valencia and failed to connect with the proud supporters
He and his brother Phil (left) spent four months at the helm before they were sacked in 2016
But the idea an Englishman was doing his work experience at one of Spain's most historic clubs, soon started to leave an unpleasant taste, especially with Valencia's proud supporters.
Fans of the club from all generations believe Valencia should be at the top table of European football. Those of a certain age remember the team beating Arsenal on penalties in the Cup Winners Cup final in 1980 with players such as Mario Kempes and Rainer Bonhof the stars.
Those slightly younger recall the team 20 years on that reached two European Cup finals and won two leagues and a UEFA Cup.
One of Neville's biggest problems was failing to connect with those fans – a task made all the more difficult by not being able to speak their language.
He's a great communicator but it's impossible to get across, through a translator, that you are not just in town to 'give management a go' and Valencia are your guinea pig.
Valencia's fans remember the team beating Arsenal on penalties in the Cup Winners Cup final
He did his best in his first press conference to tell them he knew how big the club was. And in another recent interview he admitted: 'Looking back Valencia did not need an inexperienced coach. And the last thing I needed was a staff without experience.'
That inexperienced staff included former Valencia winger Angulo who was no more bilingual nor experienced than Gary.
Brother Phil was also on his team and demoted by the club just three days after Gary's departure.
He felt hard done by at the time. He had been part of the coaching team that the previous season had helped Valencia reach the Champions League. He was assistant to now-Wolves coach Nuno Espirito Santo who Valencia had been foolish to impatiently sack the following season.
In 2004, Valencia won the UEFA Cup and fans are desperate to get back to the top table
Neville failed to connect with the passionate fans, not helped by his inability to speak Spanish
Phil's matchday duties were taken away once his brother departed. His coaching role was reduced and there was an inevitability over his eventual exit. His demotion owed something to Pako Ayestaran who Gary brought in to assist him halfway through the four-month stint. Neville regretted not bringing the experienced