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Juventus are in such a crisis that not even Jurgen Klopp or Pep Guardiola could salvage something from this group of players.
Tuesday night's Champions League clash at Chelsea was historic but for all the wrong reasons: it was the Old Lady's biggest European defeat for over 20 years - and their largest ever loss in Europe's premier club competition.
A 4-0 drubbing by Celta Vigo in the UEFA Cup fourth round in March 2000 sparked a tactical and psychological change in Turin and three years later, Juventus were back-to-back champions again.
But the difference between that team and the one that limped to a defeat by the same scoreline to European champions Chelsea this week, is that this side simply lacks any player of personality or quality that is capable of bringing glory to the club.
Juventus were crushed 4-0 by Chelsea on Tuesday, their worst European loss in 40 years
Massimiliano Allegri's game-plan backfired in west London and his side were embarrassed
It is perhaps symbolic that Cristiano Ronaldo, the talisman Juventus were desperate to shift this summer, helped Manchester United out of their own hole of desperation in Villarreal - just minutes before Juve stepped out on the field at Stamford Bridge. How the Italian giants could have done with the Portuguese icon in west London.
And if Juventus are to achieve anything this season, they need a new figure up top. Reports in Italy claim Fiorentina's Dusan Vlahovic is the answer and a £45million offer is being prepared - but right now the focus is how poor the Old Lady's spine was in London.
