A former Navy lieutenant who spent six months in 2017 in business with Hunter Biden, trying unsuccessfully to get a joint venture with a Chinese firm off the ground, has made public an audio recording from earlier this month, which he claims was a Biden associate trying to silence him.
Tony Bobulinski appeared on Tucker Carlson's Fox News show on Tuesday night and an audio was played of Rob Walker - whose wife works for Jill Biden - allegedly warning Bobulinski not to go public with the information.
‘You’re just going to bury all of us, man,’ Walker allegedly said in the October 18 conversation.
During the interview, Bobulinski also claimed that in 2017, he asked Joe Biden's brother Jim - who was part of their business consortium - how he could 'get away with' all their business dealings.
Bobulinski claimed that Jim replied: 'Plausible deniability.'
Bobulinski further claimed during the interview that he had met Joe twice - both times in Los Angeles, on the night of May 2, 2017, and the morning of May 3, 2017.
Bobulinski previously said he had only met Joe once - on the night of May 2.
Tony Bobulinski spoke to Tucker Carlson on Tuesday night in an interview from Los Angeles
Joe Biden, pictured with his son Hunter in 2009, says he was unaware of Hunter's businesses
Bobulinski has since early October been pushing the story of his time in business with Hunter, 50, and his claims that Joe was involved in the attempts to make deals with their Chinese partners.
Bobulinski and Hunter formed a company in 2017, specializing in infrastructure investment. No deals appear to have been completed, and the firm folded in 2018.
Joe had left the White House and was a private citizen at the time.
Nevertheless, he has insisted he and his son never discussed business - which Bobulinski claims is untrue.
Tucker Carlson devoted the full hour of his show on Tuesday to the interview with Bobulinski
'That's a blatant lie when he states that,' Bobulinski told Carlson.
'It's a blatant lie.'
Bobulinski held a press conference ahead of the final presidential debate last week, but did not take questions.
'It was made clear to me that Joe Biden's involvement was not to be made in writing, but only face to face.'
Bobulinski is listed as one of the recipients of a May 13, 2017, email detailing their business deal, and he claims that 'the big guy' mentioned is a reference to Joe, whom he claims Hunter regularly asked for business advice.
Joe has always insisted he was not involved in Hunter's numerous business ventures.
On Friday Bobulinski reportedly spoke to the FBI and handed over three cell phones which he said contained 'evidence'. He did not say of what.
'Obviously the world is aware that I attended the debate last Thursday and in that debate, he made a specific statement around questions around us from the president and I'll be honest with you, I almost stood up and screamed a liar and walked out because I was shocked that after four days that they prepped for this at the Biden family is taking that position to the world,' Bobulinski told Carlson.
Two meetings with Joe Biden
Bobulinski, in Tuesday night's interview, told in additional detail how he had allegedly met Joe in Los Angeles.
'I first met with Hunter Biden and Jim Biden, and just had a light discussion where they briefed me that my dad's on the way, and we won't go into too much detail on the business front, but we will spend time talking at a high level about you, your background, the Biden family and then he's got to get some rest because he is speaking at the conference in the morning,' Bobulinaki said.
Joe was coming to Los Angeles to speak at the Milken Conference and discuss his 'moonshot' efforts to find a cure for cancer.
Asked by Carlson why Joe would meet him, Bobulinski emphasized that Hunter and Jim wanted him to meet Joe - it was not Bobulinski wanting to meet the former vice president.
'They were sort of wining and dining me and presenting the strength of the Biden family to get me more engaged and taking on the CEO role and develop it both in the United States and around the world in partnership,' he told Carlson.
'And as you can imagine, I've been asked by a hundred people over the past month why would you be meeting with Joe Biden, and sort of turn the question around to people that ask me, why that 10:38 on the night of May 2nd would Joe Biden take time out of his schedule to sit down with me in a dark bar at the Beverly Hilton's position - behind a column so people couldn't see us - to have a discussion about his family and my family?'
Bobulinski was in business with Hunter, and the pair tried to set up Chinese investments
Bobulinski, pictured at a press conference ahead of Thursday's debate, spoke on Tuesday
In Bobulinski's telling, when Joe arrived with his security detail, Bobulinski 'stood up out of respect to shake his hand.'
He continued: 'And Hunter introduced me as: "this is Tony, the individual I told you about that's helping us with the business we are working on in the Chinese."'
The group sat down.
Asked what they discussed, Bobulinski said that Jim ordered some food; they all ordered drinks; and Joe asked Bobulinski about his background and family.
'He thanked me for my service, I'm obviously very proud of that,' Bobulinski said.
'Then he walked through his family, obviously some of the tragedies they've dealt with, his political career on a high level.
'We didn't go into too much detail on business because prior to Joe showing up, Hunter and Jim had approached me and said this is a high-level discussion meeting.
'So it's not like I was drilling down with Joe about details.'
Bobulinski told Carlson that, the following day, he had a second meeting with Joe.
'I met with Joe Biden the morning of May 3rd at that conference, and then was taken backstage after Joe had spoken,' he recalled.
'We joked around for 10 minutes and then I walked out to his car, I think they referenced he was off to see lieutenant governor.'
Bobulinski said that, when they spoke, Joe 'just asked how I did and what I thought of the speech.'
Bobulinski said: 'I said great job in the speech, and obviously it's a very serious thing we should all be working together to solve. I lost a sister-in-law to cancer.
'And he just sort of asked me to keep an eye on his son and his brother.'
When Carlson asked what he meant, Bobulinski replied: 'I think he was conscious of things and I can't speak for him.'
Joe has never denied meeting Bobulinski, but neither has he explained the circumstances.