ELAINE WELTWORTH (EW): What exactly are we doing right now? Help me understand. They asked me to ask that question. I said, no I’m not going to ask that question.
I said, wait, what’s the intention of this conversation? Because this could go left so fast.
They go, 'let me call you back.' I said to them, this is going to be a train wreck.
Oh look at this sweetheart, you can tell. Sharon I am just so sorry that that went the way that it went.
SHARON OSBOURNE (SO): Do you know what it is though, when you have to sit there and defend yourself? It makes you look guilty because you can't get out of it.
It's like Jack always says, it's like calling somebody a pedophile, you can't deny it. What do you say?
JACK OSBOURNE (JO): It's like how do you....'come look at my web browser, I'm not a pedophile,' like, you know?
EW: I don't think... we...we all agree, when you left we were like, there's no way that we should just [drowned out by ringtone] in that conversation without having a [garbled] altogether.
I thought…I thought - I was told "Sharon wants to comment on Piers", I go, "great"! They go, "OK, is there anything you wanna say?" I was like, no. Not at all.'
SO: As I was driving in this morning, they said do you want to comment on Piers? I said sure I will, sure.
Four minutes. Four minutes before I went out, they called me and said, "you know, some might not agree with your opinion, is that alright for them to air?" I said of course it is. We talk whatever they feel. You know, we'll discuss it.
I never thought it was gonna be that. Because .... whatever you say you just look guilty. And now everybody's gonna have that little seed of doubt, "well you know, maybe she's a bit racist."
EW: 'It's so f**ked up.
SO: These people here, that run this, have no ethics. They don't care. They just want numbers, numbers, numbers.
EW: Did you speak to them? Did you get anyone on the phone yet?
SO: Nobody's here. Nobody's here, the building - the offices are empty.
EW: I just want you to know, Sharon. Sheryl loves you and respects you so much and had your back behind the scenes. She was not trying to attack you.
But I also understand when you had night long of trolls f**king attacking you online, that puts you in a position where you have to defend yourself. You feel like you have to defend yourself.
And I know you're upset. I know it was terrible, but I just hope that once this blows over, that you know Sheryl is your friend. She really is your friend.
She doesn't think you're racist. I don't think you're racist. No one who knows you would ever say that or think that.
SO: But why couldn't she have said: "I've known you for 11 years, I know you are not racist" instead of, "I don't think you are." No, I know you're not.
There's a huge difference. A f**king night and day difference to know.
I've gone to Sheryl, I've said, "educate me. I need to know about your heritage, I need to know things."
She would tell me to get this book and that book and whatever, and she would help me out with things that I didn't quite understand.
When that came, I was like...it was like somebody punched me in the face.
EW: I don't know if you saw but [showrunner] ran up to me before we got on air and she goes I'm so sorry ...[drowned out by phone ringing]….enough time
Then I go, "we shouldn't be talking about this!"
SO: You said that?
EW: Yeah. That's why I sat there silent thinking, I thought, "okay, Sharon wants to say something. Let her say the thing and then we'll move on f**king Selena f**king Gomez.
They literally made her ask that question. And I thought that she was setting it up in way so that you knew - I assumed that you guys had had a pre-conversation so that you were on the same page.
SO: No! No! No! I'm running out. Just as I'm running out - I always go for a wee, four- five minutes before. Phone rings: How do you feel about not everybody agreeing with you.
Agreeing with me? Well fine, they can ask me whatever they want. I'm fine.
But that's like....it's not like "they're gonna accuse you of being a racist."
EW: Nobody, nobody was even discussing disagreeing with you. At least from me, I can tell you straightforward. They said: "do you have anything to say?"
I go, "no. If Sharon wants to comment, Sharon should comment and then we move on to the next topic. I have enough s**t going on in my own personal life, to be honest, Sharon, I didn't even read the tweets.
I don't even what people said to you. I only know because people texted me a screenshot and I go, "okay. Okay, I literally feel
